Libby: Well, I had extension tubes, so I could get two-to-one magnification right on the spot. And I had a 15mm lens, for wide-angle stuff. So I could take all those big kelp forest shots. Lovell used to stick more to the medium range. So the very very small and the very very big would be mine.
Lovell: Although I could put a teleconverter on a macro lens, which allowed me to preserve working distance and get the strobes in. Whereas if you use a lens that has to focus very closely, you can't get the illumination in.
Libby: Of course, then we got involved in bringing things in and photographing them in the lab.
C&O: And how did you set that lab up?
Libby: Well, first we had it at Hopkins; one building had small labs in it for visiting professors or students. We had one of those, with running seawater and aquaria.
Lovell: We could keep our animals and study them.
Libby: There was a refrigerator out in the hall, so you could keep your animals cold all night. And so we would do the collecting and keep the animals in the aquaria and take their pictures. Well, then when they got some new professors, they gutted that whole lab and we were out, and that was very sad. But then we took pictures in our darkroom, and we'd bring jars of saltwater home; you could keep the animals for three, maybe four days. We had a bubbler, and we'd add fresh saltwater every so often.
Lovell: Then [Moss Landing Marine Lab instructor] Jim Nybakken turned us on to the Olympus system for macro-photography, in which you have a stand and enlarging lenses and bellows, and we could get up to 14 times enlarged. That set-up enabled us to get pictures of [the encrusting bryozoan] Membranipora spawning, and that sort of thing. And that opened up a whole new world to us. For quite a while we were interested in organisms that encrust the blades of kelpthey're on a flat substratum, so you don't have to deal with depth-of-field problems. If you have little tiny things on a flat surface, that lends itself to magnification. Whereas if they were crawling around on some upright structure, then you'd have much more trouble photographing them. So for many years we'd go out in our Zodiac and collect blades of kelp and bring them back to the lab, and then we'd look at all the things that live on them. They play an important role in our book.
C&O: So you'd study them through a microscope and find interesting things that you hoped to capture on film.
Libby: Yes, we'd bring blobs of stuffa piece of substrate or a bunch of algaeand spend hours looking at that through a dissecting scope. Because as you'd poke along, more little creatures would poke their heads out. It was just fantastic.
Lovell: Little tiny tube worms sticking their noses out, and little tiny amphi-pods crawling around. It's just incredible what you'd find, it's a whole world.
Libby: You could spend all day just looking.
C&O: So your world went from the very big scale down to the very small scale.
Lovell: Both.
Libby: People take photographs through microscopes, and then they have electron microscopy, but what we took was about 14 times magnification, and no one has touched that.
C&O: That's your own unique niche.
Libby: Yes, this 14 times is sort of an in between.
C&O: Did you have specific photogra-phic projects that you'd be working on?
Libby: Sometimes. Often we'd just see what we could find. For a while we were shooting Epiactis [proliferating anemone] over in a channel between Whalers and Bluefish Coves [at Point Lobos], 30 feet deep.
Lovell: You can only get over there when it's quiet, so we'd look out the window of our home, and if it was quiet, we'd put the Zodiac on the car and chase down to Whalers.
Libby: Once we were looking for a nudibranch that feeds on Epiactis. And one time we found it, and took a few pictures, and then we ran out of film. So I had in the pocket of my BC [buoyancy compensator vest] this red ribbon, an old Christmas ribbon, and I tied it on this piece of kelp so we could find it again. We had to go all the way home to get more film, and came back and looked for the red ribbon.
C&O: And was the nudibranch still there?
Libby: Oh, yes. So we got some pictures of that, which was good. And then once we were going after Crepidula, the little slipper snail that rides along on another snail. Well, then we looked for those and took pictures madly.
Lovell: Over years we did that. We learned about these things in that subtidal course, and so whenever we got interested, we'd keep shooting those animals.
Libby: Then we spent a lot of time collecting that kelp curler that makes little nests in the tops of kelp. We'd go out in our inflatable and hunt around in the canopy and open the curled-over kelp blades up a little bit, and if there was somebody inside we'd close it up and bring it home, then open it where we could take the picture.
Lovell: That got us into publishing for the first time: we had two articles in Natural History, one on Epiactis and one on Crepidula. That was a big breakthrough for us.
C&O: Is there anything you'd like to say about the changes you've noticed, as far as diving goes, along the California coast?
Libby: The only thing we really noticed was that there aren't as many fish locally. We used to see lots of big lings and big cabezons, and even leopard sharks, even though you couldn't get close enough to get their pictures. And the last few years you just didn't see those things around.
Lovell: Our memory was that early on, when you'd dive along the coast here there'd be rockfish, fish in almost all the little cracks, some of them moderate-sized fish. Now you don't see that. And it made us strong supporters to the idea of having that no-take zone, but that got shot down. [In 1997 the Edward Ricketts Underwater Park was formally established by the City of Monterey. A no-take provision was watered down in the end: fishing is presently permitted, as is kelp harvesting. The Monterey Bay Aquarium has imposed a voluntary prohibition on collecting in the park in keeping with the spirit of the no-take concept.]
One thing we haven't covered yet is how wonderful it was for us to acquire that little ten-foot Zodiac. If it was a reasonably calm day we could put that thing on the top of the car and put our junk in the back and off we'd go, the two of us on our own. Fortunately, we didn't have enough power and size to take us up and down the open coast, because I'm sure we would've drowned ourselves if we'd tried doing that. But we did do things like launch at Whalers and cross Carmel Bay over to Pescadero Point, which is very, very interesting; it's a little deeper to see interesting things there, down around 80, 90 feet. Then we'd go from the [Monterey] breakwater out as far as Point Pinos. We dove those areas repeatedly in that little Zodiac, and that was just wonderful.
C&O: Do you have any particularly memorable dives that you still talk about?
Libby: Well, theres the one when Lovell's weight belt came off.
C&O: What happened?
Libby: We were out at the Pinnacles [in the open ocean off Pebble Beach]. The top of the Pinnacles is at about 80 feet, and then it drops off suddenly on both sides to 120 or so, and on down. And I was puttering around, when all of a sudden here comes Lovell tearing down, with his weight belt in one hand, going shhhhh, down to the bottom. And I reached out, because he had his camera in the other hand, and I was going to take his camera, at least, so he'd have two hands. But he went tearing on down past me, so I went tearing down after him of course, and thank heavens, he landed on a flat spot rather than going on down.
Lovell: I got my weight belt back on.
Libby: Yeah, he hit the bottom and sort of stretched out on his stomach with his weight belt, and I sort of sat on his back to hold him down while he got it hooked up.
Lovell: I was short of breath from the struggle.
C&O: How did it come off?
Lovell: Well, it was one of those buckles. We got rid of that in a hurry. We got one of those rubber things that are a clasp, and they never come off. I never, ever, would dive with one of those buckles again.
Lovell: I think some of the dives in the Indo-Pacific were fantastic.
C&O: For the animal life that you saw?
Libby: The animal life and the beauty of it.
Lovell: But they were hairier dives, a lot of them, because of the current. Terrific current.
Libby: Only once have we had that current here, and that was out at North Point [the outer point of Point Lobos]. I should have realized, because we'd always hang our cameras off a lanyard from the boat, and then you'd drop in and pick up your camera and take it on down. And I remember seeing Lovell's camera out over here, you know, not down there. I thought, yes, quite a bit of current, but it didn't occur to me that maybe we shouldn't go in.
Lovell: Well, we learned finally that if the kelp bed isn't there, don't go in the water, because the kelp is lying flat on the bottom.
Lovell: You learn a lot when you dive. Little experiences all the way along. About the power of the ocean. It's bigger than we are, and that's the first thing you learn. 